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Ian and all, Wonderful to see and hear the elders speak. Thanks for bringing us their voices, landscape and ideas. We've just finished the first stage of a Metis elders interview process here - not so much about climate change, but about earth based lifestyle. Some dominant themes coming out are: "We all hunted, fished, trapped, gathered berries, canned and grew big gardens. There was very little illness and little need for government relief." I believe the messages you are gathering about climate change are directly linked to the messages we (and you, likely) are hearing about lifestyle. It was good to see Lisa's (from Australia) comment. Our family was just there for a brief visit as you know. While there I picked up a copy of the Pacific Ecologist. I was impressed with an article there on the inherent wealth of folks living close to the earth. Please see http://www.pacificecologist.org/archive/18/pe18-hunter-gatherers.pdf when you have a spare minute. Hi to Nath and Nuna. Love from us all. David and Maggie